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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://veryserious.org/2010/01/26/question-818-piracy/comment-page-1#comment-24639</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nick if only there was a stat for &quot;words written&quot; / &quot;words read by other people&quot;.  I think we would be crushing the competition in that metric.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;current votes: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24639&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nick if only there was a stat for &#8220;words written&#8221; / &#8220;words read by other people&#8221;.  I think we would be crushing the competition in that metric.
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		<title>By: panasonicyouth</title>
		<link>http://veryserious.org/2010/01/26/question-818-piracy/comment-page-1#comment-24636</link>
		<dc:creator>panasonicyouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve severely reduced my downloading because I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to &quot;punish&quot; artists or the shitty things labels do. I think there&#039;s a lot of great ideas pulsing above me, so I&#039;ll go in a different direction. 

I&#039;ve tried to stop downloading music, films, and TV episodes because having that sort of easy access to content made music less exciting to me. I no longer had to wait until the release date to hear a new record. I didn&#039;t have to have the physical record in hand to enjoy it. 

The past year has been exciting to me again because I make myself wait until the proper release date. I&#039;m getting back into pre-ordering records from bands I love. And my record collection is getting healthy again. 

So, morality aside, I don&#039;t download much so I can enjoy music like I used to growing up.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;current votes: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24636&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve severely reduced my downloading because I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to &#8220;punish&#8221; artists or the shitty things labels do. I think there&#8217;s a lot of great ideas pulsing above me, so I&#8217;ll go in a different direction. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried to stop downloading music, films, and TV episodes because having that sort of easy access to content made music less exciting to me. I no longer had to wait until the release date to hear a new record. I didn&#8217;t have to have the physical record in hand to enjoy it. </p>
<p>The past year has been exciting to me again because I make myself wait until the proper release date. I&#8217;m getting back into pre-ordering records from bands I love. And my record collection is getting healthy again. </p>
<p>So, morality aside, I don&#8217;t download much so I can enjoy music like I used to growing up.
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		<title>By: phil</title>
		<link>http://veryserious.org/2010/01/26/question-818-piracy/comment-page-1#comment-24632</link>
		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake your analogy works as well as I do when I&#039;m arguing with you all day in my office.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;current votes: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24632&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake your analogy works as well as I do when I&#8217;m arguing with you all day in my office.
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joe: My analogy works great, blast it!

What I feel strongly about isn&#039;t so much where the direction of media distribution is going (like I said, you and I are on the same page regarding how we feel about potential new models) or whether a person should never/always &quot;pirate&quot; media, but more about whether people are willing to at least acknowledge that they&#039;re bucking the system to get something for nothing.

By the way, I forgot to say this before but I am absolutely amazed by the &quot;more dated than&quot; line you used earlier. For that, you technically win any argument this week.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;current votes: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24631&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joe: My analogy works great, blast it!</p>
<p>What I feel strongly about isn&#8217;t so much where the direction of media distribution is going (like I said, you and I are on the same page regarding how we feel about potential new models) or whether a person should never/always &#8220;pirate&#8221; media, but more about whether people are willing to at least acknowledge that they&#8217;re bucking the system to get something for nothing.</p>
<p>By the way, I forgot to say this before but I am absolutely amazed by the &#8220;more dated than&#8221; line you used earlier. For that, you technically win any argument this week.
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you guys are just padding your stats like a victoria secret model.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;current votes: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24630&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you guys are just padding your stats like a victoria secret model.
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake, your analogy doesn&#039;t work but thats ok, I love you anyway. 

Also, from your responses, I think you feel stronger about this than you are claiming.

I want to roll back to something that Heypal said on a different thread: http://veryserious.org/2010/01/27/question-815-filesharingsausage#comment-24608

This is the case I find myself in all the time:

There is an album I want by a band I like. I could, very easily get it from my friends on the internet, but I want to reward the artist for doing something good. What can I do?

I can buy it legitamitely on itunes, but I know that the artist only gets like $1.50 of my $10 once the label and apple get their cuts. I am willing to go out of my way to give the money to the artist, and if they are selling it directly I will get it from them, but this not often the case.

I think what labels like illegal art are doing is pretty interesting, where you pay a minimum for certain versions of what they are selling but can get the mp3s for free or you can pay more if you want. Check it out: http://illegal-art.net/shop
granted they were driven to this model probably because they primarilly deal in sample-driven music/remixes/mashups with Girl Talk and the like...&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;current votes: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24628&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake, your analogy doesn&#8217;t work but thats ok, I love you anyway. </p>
<p>Also, from your responses, I think you feel stronger about this than you are claiming.</p>
<p>I want to roll back to something that Heypal said on a different thread: <a href="http://veryserious.org/2010/01/27/question-815-filesharingsausage#comment-24608" rel="nofollow">http://veryserious.org/2010/01/27/question-815-filesharingsausage#comment-24608</a></p>
<p>This is the case I find myself in all the time:</p>
<p>There is an album I want by a band I like. I could, very easily get it from my friends on the internet, but I want to reward the artist for doing something good. What can I do?</p>
<p>I can buy it legitamitely on itunes, but I know that the artist only gets like $1.50 of my $10 once the label and apple get their cuts. I am willing to go out of my way to give the money to the artist, and if they are selling it directly I will get it from them, but this not often the case.</p>
<p>I think what labels like illegal art are doing is pretty interesting, where you pay a minimum for certain versions of what they are selling but can get the mp3s for free or you can pay more if you want. Check it out: <a href="http://illegal-art.net/shop" rel="nofollow">http://illegal-art.net/shop</a><br />
granted they were driven to this model probably because they primarilly deal in sample-driven music/remixes/mashups with Girl Talk and the like&#8230;
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, that did the trick like Harry Houdini.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;current votes: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24627&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, that did the trick like Harry Houdini.
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just step back, you&#039;re dancing kind of close.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;current votes: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24625&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just step back, you&#8217;re dancing kind of close.
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to shake off &quot;I hate Jake&quot; mode right now but you&#039;re making it hard for me, please say something to make it easier.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;current votes: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24623&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to shake off &#8220;I hate Jake&#8221; mode right now but you&#8217;re making it hard for me, please say something to make it easier.
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I kind of feel the same way about things that start out with &quot;Jake, you should...&quot;

I wasn&#039;t trying to make a direct link between those two situations, (actually,) Phil, I was pointing out that they used the same faulty &quot;I payed for something = I can do anything with it&quot; logic. 

Metaphors &amp; analogies don&#039;t require literal similarities. Saying &quot;Trying to reason with you is like playing tug-of-war on the moon&quot; isn&#039;t meant to imply that we have to wear space-suits to debate a topic. Keep working at it, and some day you&#039;ll &quot;get&quot; these literary tools.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;current votes: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-24622&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I kind of feel the same way about things that start out with &#8220;Jake, you should&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t trying to make a direct link between those two situations, (actually,) Phil, I was pointing out that they used the same faulty &#8220;I payed for something = I can do anything with it&#8221; logic. </p>
<p>Metaphors &#038; analogies don&#8217;t require literal similarities. Saying &#8220;Trying to reason with you is like playing tug-of-war on the moon&#8221; isn&#8217;t meant to imply that we have to wear space-suits to debate a topic. Keep working at it, and some day you&#8217;ll &#8220;get&#8221; these literary tools.
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