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• 1 Joe // Oct 22, 2009 at 8:03 am

  Well here in DE guns and knives are illegal. A while ago some Americans were accosted by a gang of skinheads who started yelling “Americans and English have ruined our country” and then sprayed the Amos with mace.

  This is the kind of embarrassing shit that happens when you make guns and knives illegal.

  Spraying mace == ho shit. If I were German I would hang my head in shame. Are they local toughs or are they girls jogging through the park? Am I right fellas? Fellas?

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• 2 jake // Oct 22, 2009 at 8:16 am

  @Joe: Yeah, those skinheads should have been able to stab & shoot the Americans.

  Fuck it, ban ‘em. If the (very unlikely) situation comes up where we need an armed militia to fight against our own government, I’m sure we can work something out.

  For what it’s worth, on a scale of 1 to 10 measuring how much I care about this particular issue, I’m only like a 5.

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• 3 thadd // Oct 22, 2009 at 8:22 am

  Jake, was that real or snark?

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• 4 Joe // Oct 22, 2009 at 8:27 am

  Oh and from what I have seen the skinheads were correct in their assessment of the situation.

  In other news, after some conversations with Stefan and other Germans I have stopped carrying my knife http://www.coldsteel.com/tilite.html I need to find a German-style replacement. Swiss army knife maybe?

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• 5 Joe // Oct 22, 2009 at 8:27 am

  @Jake Yeah!

  wait were you being sarcastic?

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• 6 Joe // Oct 22, 2009 at 8:42 am

  Seriously though mace spraying is so lame. Leave that to the 90 lb kids fighting with DMS crew members at the Madball/Earth Crisis show.

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• 7 jake // Oct 22, 2009 at 8:48 am

  I was being snarkastic about it being better to shoot & stab people than to spray them with mace. The rest was without snarkasm.

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• 8 dav // Oct 22, 2009 at 8:55 am

  I say we do what Chris Rock said…… we should be allowed to have all the guns we want, but bullets should cost $4000 a piece.

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• 9 Joe // Oct 22, 2009 at 8:57 am

  If the local toughs are spraying people with mace your society sucks. I am now expecting the sketchy dudes at the train station to try and get my wallet by threatening me with a rape whistle.

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• 10 jake // Oct 22, 2009 at 9:12 am

  I just had a long conversation with like five people on the definition of the word “snarky” and have determined that while I was being sarcastic in my original comment, I was not, in fact, being snarky.

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• 11 phil // Oct 22, 2009 at 9:36 am

  I vomit into the wastebasket at my desk every time I read the words “snark” “snarky” or “snarkastic”.

  We should ban assault weapons definitely and probably pistols. We should get rid of the second amendment also. Muggers and criminals will still be able to get their hands on them probably, but at least fewer kids will accidentally shoot themselves after getting into their parents’ unlocked cabinet.

  Cars kill more people than guns, but in order to have a car you have to buy insurance and have a license. I think there should at least be regulation on guns at least as stiff as what we have for cars, since the whole point of them is to kill, whereas cars have the additional benefit of taking you somewhere.

  Also parents should have cabinets with different levels of locks so that kids can get at the porno mags or marijuana but not the guns or the notarized will that leaves out the kids.

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• 12 NateG // Oct 22, 2009 at 9:57 am

  Guns are okayish. I think that we shold get rid of assault weapons and require weapons licensing more thoroughly…

  like you can own a high powered rifle if you pass a safety + Psychological test. Like stress training should be there too…. cuz if someone who owns a gun does have some dude break into his house, they should be trained how to handle situation…

  but i think, in general, more gun control is needed.

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• 13 Tiffany! // Oct 22, 2009 at 11:32 am

  I am going to have to copout and just take Jakes non-snarky second half of the answer… including the amount on the 1-10 scale of caring

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• 14 Stace // Oct 22, 2009 at 12:50 pm

  I am probably biased as I grew up with guns. But I’m all for them, but I do believe there should be more training and lisences or some system to keep things in check.

  I was trained from an early age about how to handle them safely and shoot. A lot of people I grew up with, including my own family, only used them for target shooting and hunting. Hunting being important as that was our main source of protein until I was about 12.

  So I think there should be some federally mandated rules on them instead of by state. Say in Wyoming, if I were a resident, I’m fully qualified right now to get a concealed and carry permit. In California it’s extremely hard.

  Regulation usually equals bad but it’s all I can suggest as for some population of the country you’d be removing their a form of food for them and they’d be worse off than they are now.

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• 15 jake // Oct 22, 2009 at 12:57 pm

  @ Stace: I’m having trouble buying the hunting-for-survival thing. Is it really easier/cheaper to get protein from hunting than from buying food at the grocery store, or is it a personal choice thing?

  Are we taking into account all the cheap non-meat ways that protein can be gotten? I mean, for most of human history people have survived perfectly well eating meat only occassionally.

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• 16 Stace // Oct 22, 2009 at 1:46 pm

  @Jake If you live in a place where everything has to be shipped in, it raises the cost of everything. I had never in my life seen an avacado sell for less that $2 each until I moved to California. I didn’t know what a real, non-ice cream topper cherry even looked like till Grandma bought some one summer when I was 5/6. Bananas at home are something stupid like about $1 a pound, here they’re 69 cents a pound. I didn’t have a real hamburger (without wild game or a McDonald’s burger) until I was 11.

  Maybe they’re not a big difference in prices but when you have barely enough to begin with it can make a difference.

  So is hunting cheaper or easier than comparing with the available other meat? That could be debateable but when you do need to eat things like fruits and vegetables, you have to start giving up a lot of other things in certain places to afford ‘fresh’ items.

  Granted, my family, well a family member, was spending it on things that were not totally food related, but we’ll save the TMI for another day.

  As far as beans/nuts/tofu, I didn’t know of tofu until I was in high school and not until the past 5 years at home have I ever seen it stocked in a store. Beans and nuts would be doable so I have no point there.

  But for hunting it would really depend on a lot of factors, like lisence costs, supplies and maybe butchering fees. We gave a lot of our game away to friends as well.

  So today after all this other research and the ease of getting information via the internet/TV, it’s probably not as feasible today as it was 20 years ago when I was growing up. I mean my parents were raised to think that meat=protein, end of discussion. Now they know differently.

  It would be interesting to see how nutrition would change. But then we’d have bigger issues with game population and dieases as well, at least in the short term.

  Edit: Please note that my parents did they best they could and I’ve turned out fine. But even growing up I knew we were more foturnate that some of the kids in the neighbor in terms of food and clothing.

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• 17 heypal // Oct 24, 2009 at 8:10 am

  @ phil: what’s an assault weapon?

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• 18 phil // Oct 24, 2009 at 8:23 pm

  Sorry i meant to say assault rifle like for example an ak 47 or sks. I think there is a difference between guns meant to kill people & guns made to kill deer. No one buys an uzi to put food on the table.

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• 19 jake // Oct 25, 2009 at 5:33 am

  [snarkery] @Phil …except maybe guerrilla freedom fighters, which we will likely become if they take away our guns! [/snarkery]

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• 20 phil // Oct 25, 2009 at 4:32 pm

  How would they hunt with an Uzi though? It would be horrible for that.

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• 21 jake // Oct 25, 2009 at 5:16 pm

  When we’re forced to become guerrilla freedom fighters by the repeal of the Second Amendment, we’ll need to use Uzis regularly to overtake the truckloads of food that the government is stealing from us to give to immigrants and welfare mothers.

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• 22 phil // Oct 25, 2009 at 9:56 pm

  Good point. I think that we should go with a weapon that uses 7.62mm ammunition because when the federal government invites the Chinese, Cuban and Venezuelan “military advisors” we’ll want to be able to use the bullets we salvage from them after raids.

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